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A |     　　8月18日，由中国科学技术馆与泰国国家科技馆共同建设的“倾听科学空间”（L.I.S.T.E.N Science     Space）在泰国国家科技展上正式亮相，吸引了众多观众参观。　　“倾听科学空间”是中国科技馆发起的“小而美”海外科普合作品牌，旨在与其他国家分享中国优质科普资源与经验，通过“资源共享、优势互补、联合研发”的合作模式，推动科学文化交流互鉴，提升公众科学素质。    

    Screenshot from the video of Al Jazeera's interview with Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim
After Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim recently reaffirmed Taiwan is part of China during an interview, the Taiwan island's Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) was clearly rattled.
Experts said this only underscores the one-China principle has long been an established international consensus, and that the more the "pro-independence" DPP peddles narratives of "international support for Taiwan" and stirs up trouble, the more developments will emerge that run counter to its "Taiwan independence" agenda. 
In a statement issued on Tuesday, Taiwan's regional external affairs department called Anwar's recent remarks on Taiwan "false," claiming that Answer openly seeks to justify the mainland's use of force to unify Taiwan. 
In a video interview with Al Jazeera, released on August 16, Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim said, "I see Taiwan as part of China, period. You may disagree with there are some excesses. Yes, express your view, but it must be in the context. It is one China. It is accepted by all."
In response to the question on that "China has said that if peaceful reunification doesn't work, they reserve the right to use force. If it comes to that, would you condemn them?" Anwar responded by drawing an analogy with Malaysia. He said that if any part of Malaysia sought to break away, it would be his responsibility to preserve the country's territorial integrity.
When the host asked, "So, you would use force?" Anwar answered, "Yes," adding that otherwise the country would risk becoming fragmented.
Anwar's remarks, including those on China's use of all means to resolve the Taiwan question, highlight the firm international consensus on the one-China principle and reaffirm the basic principles enshrined in the UN Charter and international law, Zheng Jian, a professor at the Graduate Institute for Taiwan Studies at Xiamen University, told the Global Times on Wednesday.
Zheng noted that the Taiwan question is China's internal affair. A sovereign state has the right to safeguard its territorial integrity. Condoning separatist acts in Taiwan region would also set a problematic precedent for other countries dealing with their own separatist issues.
In a statement on Tuesday, the Taiwan regional authorities claimed that Anwar's support for the Chinese mainland could negatively affect the confidence of Taiwan businesses investing in Malaysia.
The Taiwan regional authorities' "threat" of possible economic and trade losses for Malaysia carries limited weight and amounts largely to bluffing. Zheng noted that Taiwan island does not control any critical lifelines of Malaysia's economy, while Malaysia has alternative channels and partners. Such threats therefore amount to little more than verbal posturing.
The Taiwan regional authorities' fierce but useless overreaction stems from the heavy reliance of "Taiwan independence" forces on external support. Once international statements contradicting their narrative gain traction within Taiwan, their domestic propaganda - such as claims of "widespread international support" for Taiwan - risks unraveling, prompting their sharp backlash.
Also, aside from the Malaysian prime minister's recent remarks, the joint exercises recently held by China and Indonesia have also dealt a blow to the DPP authorities. As key countries along the "first island chain", their moves have opened a rift in the denial-and-deterrence defense system built by the US, Japan and Taiwan island, delivering a major strategic blow to "Taiwan independence" forces, said Zheng.
"The more the DPP provokes and hypes up issues, the more international developments unfavorable to 'Taiwan independence' will emerge. If the DPP continues down the doomed and erroneous path of 'independence,' there will be more occasions in the future when it finds itself rattled," Zheng said.
。2025年11月，首个“倾听科学空间”在南非Sci-Bono科学中心落成开放，作为落实中非合作论坛北京峰会成果的重要举措，获得南非民众特别是青少年的热烈欢迎。此次泰国科学空间的开幕，是该品牌在海外落成的第二个项目，标志着“倾听科学空间”项目在东南亚地区的正式布局，项目品牌效应初步形成。　　中国与泰国是友好邻邦，两国关系源远流长。

B | 中泰两国在科技领域的合作不断深化，从航天探索到天文研究，从科普教育到人才培养，双边科技合作正朝着全方位、多层次方向稳步迈进。此次“倾听科学空间”的建成亮相，正是落实两国科技合作共识、深化中泰全面战略合作伙伴关系的重要举措。　　该科学空间在泰国国家科技展期间率先与公众见面，整体规划面积约500平方米，融合科学展示、互动体验与文化交流于一体。

C | 空间设置了互动展教具体验区、科学教育活动区等功能区域，配备桌面互动展教具、小型互动展品、VR体验设备等展教资源，可灵活组织青少年开展互动体验活动，并支持科学课程、小组讨论、直播互动等多种教育形式。　　值得一提的是，除中国科技馆提供的核心展教资源外，双方团队还共同研发了9件融合中泰文化元素的特色展品。这些展品将中国非遗技艺中的科学智慧与泰国传统文化特色相结合，生动呈现了两国文化交流与科技碰撞的独特魅力，成为本次合作的一大亮点。　　中国科学技术馆作为项目主要资源提供方，将丰富的展教资源与科普经验融入空间建设。泰国国家科技馆则发挥其对本土科普需求的深刻理解和本地化优势，确保空间内容与泰国观众产生共鸣。

D | 这种“资源共享、优势互补、联合研发”的合作模式，成为中泰科技教育合作的典范之作。　　科技展结束后，“倾听科学空间”将永久落户泰国国家科技馆科学广场，持续面向泰国公众开放。这不仅是一处科普基础设施的联合建设，更是两国共同推动科学教育创新发展的务实实践。其建成开放，既展现了中泰全面战略合作伙伴关系的蓬勃活力，也为推动构建中泰命运共同体注入了科技动能。　　未来，双方将以该空间为平台，持续拓展合作领域，通过联合研发展教内容、共建数字资源库、开展人员交流等方式，为深化中泰友谊、促进民心相通贡献科技力量。（陈硕）版权申明：凡注有“”或电头为“”的稿件，均为独家版权所有，未经许可不得转载或镜像；授权转载必须注明来源为“”，并保留“”的电头。    。